14 responses to “Jumping the Fence”

  1. Rob DA

    That’s great, insightful and encouraging.
    Many thanks Gav & Mech-Ham
    Rob

  2. Jesse badillo

    I agree with u gav. Just finished ravens flight. Wanted to say u did an excellent job. Glad u shed more light on the dropsite massacre. You did the Horus heresy justice. Liked your audio compared to a couple of novels.will u do more HH in the future? Me and my friends hope u you return to it.

    1. gavthorpe

      I expect to be writing more HH stuff in the future, whether that’s audiobooks, short stories or novels, we’ll have to wait and see.

  3. Jim Briggs

    hey Gav,

    enjoyed Raven’s Flight immensely, but just wondering; 80,000 marines in the Raven Guard?? everyone on every forum constantly argues about the sizes of legions, and while i enjoy reading the debates, ive never engaged. however, it is true that Fulgrim states there are roughly 60,000 marines at Isstvan V overall… what are your thoughts? is this ambiguity done to ‘distort the history of the heresy’ as some claim (that’s actually my real question)?

    many thanks, and apologies if this seems picky!! :-)

  4. Jim Briggs

    hey Gav,

    enjoyed Raven’s Flight immensely, but just wondering; 80,000 marines in the Raven Guard?? everyone on every forum constantly argues about the sizes of legions, and while i enjoy reading the debates, ive never engaged. however, it is true that Fulgrim states there are roughly 60,000 marines at Isstvan V overall… what are your thoughts? is this ambiguity done to ‘distort the history of the heresy’ as some claim (that’s actually my real question)?

    many thanks, and apologies if this seems picky!! :-)

    1. gavthorpe

      The short answer is that I don’t know who is right. From conversations a few years ago (before the Heresy series started) I was always left with the distinct impression that the Legions each had many tens of thousands of Space Marines. A more accurate number may have been discussed in the meetings between Alan Merrett and the authors when the novels were being planned, but I wasn’t there so I can’t say for sure.

      One argument I’ve read that 100k+ Legion size is too big is that the rough number of Chapters founded when the Legions were split would show around 95% casualties in the Legions during the Heresy and the Scouring. It’s precisely because of these horrendous levels of casualties that I think the power of the Space Marines was wholly shattered by the civil war. Not only does the larger size of the Legions make more sense of their accomplishments during the Great Crusade, it also has more narrative poignancy to think that such huge armies were laid low, and the Space Marines fell from the highest pinnacle not only of spirit but also physical power.

      Like many things concerning the Heresy, others may have a different view.

      The lasting impression I always have of the Heresy is from a picture in the original Space Marine rulebook, showing thousands of Astartes disembarking from huge Capitol Imperialis super-heavy transports with immense dropships plunging down form orbit. In the world of 40K (or 30k) big is beautiful!

      1. Jim Briggs

        I like this, and find myself being slowly converted (I personally count myself as being on the 10-15,000 bandwagon, but maybe not for long…)

        big is, as you say, beautiful!! not only that, but your reasoning also shows a lot of logic, with regards to the casualties and so on. and especially the “fall from the pinnacle”, I like that a lot.

        thanks for taking the time to answer my questions!

  5. Daniele

    By the way, your book is sold out in india.
    http://www.flipkart.com/crown-blood-gav-thorpe-angry/0061994146-nmw3f4y0gb

    Man the western world is REALLY lagging behind.

    1. gavthorpe

      Would be nice to think so. The release date under the title sorta gives the game away… Still cool to see it on a webstore already

  6. Daniele

    I was being facetious. :)

    1. gavthorpe

      That’s a relief.

  7. Jonathan

    Hi Gav – You know me as Engel from Warseer and I can say this is possibly one of the most interesting things I’ve read via the tubes.

    You approach on canon is especially awesome – too many arguments are had between people who care too much about their position (I used to be one of those people, I type in vain to argue moderation and malleability in the changing face of the worlds our imaginations play in!)and I’m sorely tempted to post it on Warseer. 😉

    Well done, and thanks!

  8. Hellebore

    I like the Warhammer settings as open cavas’ but you yourself point out Gav that they still follow rules.

    The arguments come down to what falls within a setting rule and what does not. Then the argument proceeds to ‘WHY is this a setting rule and this is not?’ For example, the blood angels have red armour is a setting rule. But there are people out there who will argue they don’t have to be, which I think is entirely because of the perceieved ‘anything goes’ attitude of 40k.

    This is I think the biggest point of contention about the concept of canon especially in regards to the Warhammer settings. They are supposed to be open slather AND governed by rules at the same time which can lead to contradictory stances. There are no reasons given for why ‘Blood Angels are red’ is an inviable rule but other things are not.

    Which is why you get the impression that the two are not reconcilable; either there are rules or there aren’t. If there ARE rules then there needs to be a reason or rationale for them so that we can see why other things do not count as a rule (they do not fit the parameters given).

    Doug

    1. gavthorpe

      Hi there,

      I just spent fifteen minutes writing a reply to this and then lost my connection before it posted. Argh! Anyway, you raise a good point, one that I will write about in some more detail in a future entry…

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